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Our dearest and most gentle Ben Burgis. Michigan's native son had his folks shook for a second there, having barely graduated high school. Now, PhD in hand, you can catch him in college lecture halls and on the masthead of Jacobin.

You can listen to Ben on his own podcast, Give Them An Argument, here:…nt/id1527096105

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